Thanksgiving Special: The Cannibal Soap-Maker and Killer Drugs

Happy Thanksgiving. Everybody Happy Thanksgiving. I hope you listen to this while you're eating. I'm just kidding, Yeah, as you should. It is. It's our dinner episode. Maybe we should give a warning. I feel like mine's kind of a lighthearted story, but I feel like yours is going to get dark. So it's yeah, it's it's very graphic. It's messed up. Just if you're sensitive to that kind of thing. Just wait for a Christmas episode, I guess or something at her Well, that one might be graphic too. Oh that is worse. But wait for another episode where we talk about like I don't know, well, just wait for another episode. Welcome to Scary Mystery Surprise, where we talk about scary things that surprised us around the internet. I'm Edwin, I'm Michelle. Well, I'm excited. You know, it's become a tradition now, and you know, I just ate. So it's just spot on. The timing's perfect. So anyway, here's our Thanksgiving special Cannibals to electric boogloom. I did try and look up some recipes, you know how what about what like like you know how it's called long pork or whatever. So I typed in long pork recipes, and then everything that came up through Google was just like like pot roast, easy pork roast, easy long pork roast recipe, Uh, long pork casserole, you know, but it's actually pork. It's not human meat. I don't know what I'm feeling, like very Uh did you have pork tacos soon? No? But it's just I guess I'll just start because I have this little fact about the average human adult provides about sixty six pounds of edible meat. Wow, I know that's a lot. That's I know, that's like fat, connective tissue, organ, skin, blood, protein rich cloths, and marrows. So that's I mean that could beat a party like you could have that. Yeah, if you ate a human at a party, you're good. Everyone's leaving satisfied, you know. Yeah. I mean I wouldn't eat like liver and stuff like that, but oh right right, I mean I imagine if you were going to eat someone at a party, it wouldn't be like the person laid out. I think it would be like Hannibal Lecter style, where it's like right, yeah, properly like a fancy dinner. Or you could just do a pot luck where everybody their own take on. I don't know, some nice bone marrow like disgusting. This is disgusting. I'm trying to follow along and I'm just like I keep imagining it. You know, my dad's a butcher, and well he was for like a very long time and and now he's a trucker. It's a lot better. But I remember images of him like getting a large piece of meat to cut it up instead of just bringing it already sliced from the store and wrapped in plastic. It was Yeah, I remember asking about what these instruments were. Remember the hook. He's like, this is called the hook. He used it to hang meat and you know, if you're lucky, that was cow meat or pig meat. But you know, we don't know. We don't know what your dad was up to at that time, that's right, or why he quit. Either way, I'm excited. I'm excited because it is one of those episodes that it actually feels like a special episode because it's like it makes me feel nasches and like really bad, but at the same time, it's makes me feel something so and that's always something you know, like that's always special when you get to feel something in your black black heart, you know, yeah, you know? Should he get to feel something, even if it is nausea? All right, Edwin. The year is nineteen thirty nine. We're in Mussolini's Italy at the dawn of World War two. War hangs in the air. Young men are being called up and drafted into the army. And you know what, You're having an afternoon and you decided to stop into a tea shop. The kindly old woman who runs the shop is known as such a sweet lady in town. She brings you a tea cake. They're delicious and crunchy. Decade it really, And as you get up to leave, she offers you a bar of soap, fresh from a bat she'd made earlier this morning. What a lovely woman, you think. As you walk down the street you belch and sniff your soap. What a great afternoon. So I feel relaxed right now, Yeah, very refreshed. You should. You've just visited Leonarda Chinchuli's shop. Leonarda was born sometime in eighteen ninety three or eighteen ninety four in Italy. She'd always been a superstitious woman and always believed in spells and magic. And she had felt her mother had cursed her for marrying against her parents' wishes. Oh so that's like, you know, that's setting the tone. When she settled in Correggio, Italy, Leonarda was able to make a successful living, owning her own little shop. Many in the town knew her as a sweet lady and a devoted mother. Leonarda, though she became pregnant seventeen times, she miscarried three times and lost ten additional children while they were young and vulnerable to illness. What. Yeah, so she only had four remaining children? Well, how many tries? Out of how many? Like, what's her success rate here? Let's calculate it. So she's pregnant seventeen times. Okay, so she has fourteen kids, okay, and ten of them die. She's four out of seventeen. Yeah, four out of seventeen, a success rate of twenty three point five percent the numbers. Man, Well, that's that must be sad for her though, Like, that's actually really sad. She's very sad about it, and also blames this curse that she thinks her mom put on her. Oh that darkness within that yeah, that thirst. Okay, Okay, but you know She was a doting mom her four remaining children. She's very protective of them, especially her oldest son, Giuseppe, who is you know, just the apple of her eye, her absolute favorite. The thing is Leonarda. You know, she's big into she believes in fortune teller. She goes and she visits a fortune teller, and this fortune teller tells her that she will lose every single one of her children before she dies. So imagine her going through that and then being told that by a fortune teller. Now I want to go back to that same fortune teller. Well no, but I think, but that's like it's going to instill a fear into your mind. And this took a drastic shift towards reality in nineteen thirty nine, when Italian men started being drafted to prepare for World War Two. Giuseppe, of course, was drafted, and she's terrified. And so she gets it in her mind, in order to protect her son and to protect him from dying in the war, that she would sacrifice another human to take his place in the aft life. Wait, kill somebody, Yeah, death is satisfied, so it'll protect her son. Where does she get this idea? Look, I'm just saying she's into fortune telling. She's all into this cursed stuff. She's like, you know what, you know what, I'm gonna save my son by killing someone else. And then her son still has to go to war. Yeah, he still had to go to war, but he was like he went there like all safe. He's like, nothing's gonna happen to me. You know, like if you have like a talisman or something, like he's protected. This is the thought, like he'll be protected because she did this thing. He's all getting into like risky situations and like into the line of gunfires. It's like, nothing's gonna happen to me, nothing gonna have. My mom protects me. Bullet's bouncing off of his chest like no helmet. I don't need this thing thanks to my mama anyway. In hopes of keeping him alive, she started working part time as a fortune teller, and she found the perfect sacrifices in middle aged women who were vulnerable and hopeless. Her first victim was called Fastina. She was unmarried and unhappy. She wanted to find a suitable husband, so she went to Leonarda and Leonarda was like, oh, you know, you'll need to go to this town. The man of your dreams is waiting there. But don't tell anybody where you're going, but send all these postcards telling people that you're okay and that you're off living your life. And the woman was like so excited about this and the good news, and so she basically packed up her bags and stopped by Leonarda's store before she left town to go meet her dream man, and Leonarda poisoned a glass of wine Faustina drank it, knocking Fustina unconscious, and then Leonarda killed her with an axe. Leonarda immediately dragged the body into a closet, later chopped the body up into nine individual pieces. Blood from the victim was then entirely drained into a basin in order to make disposal faster and easier. Leonarda went on to state in her official memoirs, I threw the pieces into a pot, added several kilos of caustic soda, which I bought to make soap, and stirred the whole mixture until the piece is dissolved in a thick, dark mush that I poured into several buckets and emptied into a nearby septic tank. Should I be doing this in an Italian accent. As afore, the blood in the basin. I awaited until they coagulate. Wait, that's like it sounds like German or something. The coagulated and in the oven grounded into a mixture of flour, sugar, chocolate, milk, and eggs. It's like the sweetish chef. So like like an Italian that was raised in like Eastern Europe and learned English by watching the Muppets. There you go, as I waited for, which should I continue with the accent or should I lose the accents if you want? Wow, thank you for your vote of confidence. Hold on, hold on, show like anofficial memoir. Yeah, she wrote a book. This is her quote. She wrote a book later. Okay, I don't want to, Okay, needing all the ingredients together, I made lots of crunchy teacakes and served them to the ladies who came to visit. Though Giuseppe and I also ate them. So she did her human sacrifice. But you know, one human sacrifice was good. However, that's not guaranteed. It doesn't save Giuseppe in the universe. Oh no, so she has to kill more. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, Leonarda's next victim, Francesca Seve, a woman who is in search of employment and unable to find a job. In her tone, Leonarda instructed her to travel and also sent out the letters to everyone she knew, saying that she'd be fine, you know, mailed the postcards. So Leonarda, of course, drugged and killed Francesca on September fifth, nineteen forty, being no different than the other previous victim. Francesca's body was boiled and remade into bars of soap and teacakes, which Leonarda happily shared with neighbors. Disgusting. Though, this is disgusting. So you know, two victims are great, but once again, not a guarantee, not a guarantee for poor. Just seven. A third woman named Virginia, a talented former soprano, came to Lee in hopes of finding a future employment. Leonarda enthusiastically informed Virginia that there was a factory job in the town of Flora, instructing the woman to do as she'd told her previous victims, write a bunch of letters, send them out, but don't tell anyone where you're going before leaving town, and then on September thirtieth, basically in the same month that she had killed Francesca, as she killed Virginia, just a caveat as a fortune teller to these women. She had also taken a lot of their money and jewels before as payment before before this, so that's just like, you know, sad sidebar. This is just but anyway, in her memoir, she she included that she particularly enjoyed consuming her third victim. She liked it, Yeah, going into great detail of the woman, saying she ended up in a pot like the other two. Her flesh was fat and white when it had melted. I added a bottle of cologne, and after a long time on the boil, I was able to make the most acceptable, creamy soap. I gave bars to neighbors and acquaintances. The cakes, too, were better. The woman was really sweet, sweet woman. So that's what that means. Sweet woman. Yeah, you're like, oh, you're so sweet, just like, haha, you're so sweet. This is disgusting. This is just with her third victim. Her sister in law was particularly worried and needed answers as to where she was growing suspicious Anna. It took no time for Leodarda to get arrested. Once in custody, she was quick to confess to the murders because they'd also arrested her son, Giuseppe as as a possible accomplice, so she basically, in order to save his butt, confess to everything really quick, so he was not involved at all. Well, we don't know, and of course in a sensational trial. She was put on trial in nineteen forty six, so the war is actually over at this point. So she's put on trial in nineteen forty six, and Leonardo would go on to be deemed the soap maker of Coreggio, which is the town that they lived in, so she's known as the like she's a serial killer, known as the soap maker of Coreggio. Wow. So she never seemed to feel any remorse and quoted it saying at one point during her trial, I gave the copper ladle, which I used to skim the fat off the kettles, to my country, which was so badly in need of metal during the last years of the war. So she did something good. She's a patriot all the way. I feel kind of bad for her, but also like that mentality of I was doing something good to protect my family or something. I kind of get it, but yeah, I know, that's why I was like, the story's kind of interesting, and she's like so superstitious, right, Like, so she's superstitious, superstitious and not a little stitious superstitious. Leonardo was found guilty of her crimes and sentenced to thirty years in prison, at three years in a criminal asylum, which seems fitting, and she wrote her memoir Embittered Soul's Confession leon ARDA. Ginchulie. She passed away October fifteenth, nineteen seventy, at the age of seventy six, and a lot of the tools she used to murder these four women and cook them are now on display in a criminology museum in Rome. So you can go see that pot that she boiled some blood in. We're gonna go see a bucket what was that? And Geen's cauldron, which was one of the more scary things at the Haunted Museum, ed Gen's cauldron. So it was weird because when I saw it, I was just like a bucket. You're literally looking at a bucket. Well, we looked at two stained mattresses, so and dirt, yeah, and a lot of dirt. But anyway, just like a side note, Weirdly enough, her son did survive the war, so so so her plan kind of worked. Although after the war him and his father were arrested as you know, conspirators with her Like they thought that they had must have known something. And JOSEPPI confessed to mailing some of the postcards and letters to uh, pretending to be the victims, and even tossing some of the body parts into the river. But he confessed to doing that, Yeah, but he I have no knowledge of murder. Uh yeah, and both men were acquitted. Just like it feels like you throw some like a curveball that I mean, I'm like, uh, and then you throw another one and then another one. It's like huh Okay, Well, I guess I'm not quite sure why it was normal to just throw body parts into a river, and like why you wouldn't question that? But and did he know there were human but well, and it seems like he enjoyed the teacakes with his mom. I mean she said that in a quote, So like how did he not know? Yeah, that they were eating human blood teacakes? I mean, because it's a natural I would say like, this is delicious? What's in it? Right? And then because the mom is so like just out there, she would have been like, oh, there's human blood blood in this, and there's a but. But imagine her just saying it like in the most innocent way. Oh yeah, there's a human blood and sugar and chocolate and the milk and some margarine and pretty sad, sad story. That's pretty sad. But you know I want that recipe. Okay. The Art and science of cooking with blood, It says pigs blood can replace eggs in sweet dishes according to Nordic Food. Interesting, Okay, that makes sense because it would be a binder. Uh. I'm just I feel like it's just disgusting. That's what you get for eating meat. Right before we did this, I just had hash bruns out of veggie omelet. Why do we do this? I don't know, for the content for the show, because the people love it. Last year I did the Donner Party. I mean like I did a like an overview, and I knocked out a lot of the stories we could have done by just doing that overview. But it's so interesting because like I'd be like, oh, yeah, cannibalism, But then they'd add some wine about how they had to eat all their pets and then they had to eat people. And I'm like, no, no, there's Robbie looking at you right now. I know, No, Robbie, I'd eat my own toes before I eat you. I'd slice my own buttocks and eat my own but before i'd eat my dog. Look at that guy. Also, he wouldn't taste very good. I mean, look at him. But yeah, like I said, kind of a more wholesome cannibalism. I wonder if listeners eat that, like if they like blood, because I know, I know it's a common thing in like South Amber in Mexico. It's like a thing. You can eat it in soups too, like when it turns into that you know, jemo texture, what do you call it. You can eat blood, eat it like as in and then yeah, I've seen it in sausage. Nobody drinks it unless you're a vampire. Yeah, but it's the same way like when you eat like guts and stuff like that. I'm just like this, it's just a little it's a little weird to me, even seeing that, you know, the poop in the shrimp to me is disgusting. So like, imagine trying to eat something the you know, you know that that stripe of poop. I do, Yes, I do. And so it's how you know someone doesn't know how to cook is when they leave that vein in there. Oh yeah, I tried it. I tried that poop. And just so our audience knows what we're talking about. If you're cleaning shrimp, they have a little intestinal line in the back that you have to get rid of if you're If you ever watch Top Chef or any of those cooking shows, it's like the biggest funk up is to leave that vein in. I ate it, you did, and it tasted like crap. Yeah, well it's their poop. So yeah, I ate trip poop and the taste lingered in my mouth and I was eating. Yeah, so like, oh that's funny. I ate a seashell when I ate pist Wait, wait, what do you mean you eat the seashell? You actually ate? Yeah, because no one, I just thought it was part of this. I was in high school and no one told me anything. Like I just was like, oh, well, I need to get you to write the male list. I'm just curious to see how you're gonna eat it. No, I know how to eat it. Tomali, you don't eat the wrapping. God, I know how to say it. Okay, to eat it like a sandwich. No pie. The pie incident happened. I hadn't ever been abroad before we were in Spain. No one told me anything about pyea or what it was even And yeah, I chewed it. I ate it. I ate the seashell. It was a clamshell. Wow. I just love that everyone's forgotten about you eating shrimp poop and now we're all talking about me eating a seashell. I just didn't like, why didn't they tell us how to eat it? Like I just assumed because it was on the plate, Like I'd never seen a dish with seashells on the plate before, you know, like that kind of moment where you're just like, did anyone see you eat it? You know, probably how did you find out that you're not supposed to eat them? Well? It was pretty bad, so I you know, definitely was bad. Oh man, this is terrible. Jesus, are you ready? You know, Michelle, I'm ready. I'm ready. Even though this is super super short, I think this is the shortest one ever, but it's gonna make up for it in disgustingness for the sake of tradition. Here's what I got this time. Bring it a transition. I'm gonna make this transition from penis to all the way to cannibalism. Okay, so we're gonna let's see if I can do it again. All right, let's try. Let's go from penis to cannibalism, everybody's favorite transition. North Hollywood, Los Angeles. The police get an emergency phone call and show up to the scene. They find a man on the pavement. He has jumped out of the second floor, but there's also a ton of blood around the crotch area. Oh no, oh no. Andrew Johnson ended up all over the news because of this, by the way, because of his affiliation to the Wu Tang clan, which it's a rap group and it's I know, I'm hip, but I think that's the only reason why it had actually ended up on the news, Like, like why it was that big? His stage name was was it Christ Bearer? So this was big news because of that, But he didn't actually try to kill himself. This is where we're getting a little a little more graphic because he was high on PCP. He went to the kitchen, he grabbed a knife and cut off part of his penis, and then jumped out the second floor. So he did that in that order, first the cut, then right out. How did we end up here? Are you asking that in general? Or was that part of the story. It's part of it, but it's just that was watching You're like, I felt like I could have used that as a thanksgiving like kitchen you know, because things giving very Yeah, like the knife there, I'm like I could have done that. The thing is, though he was really frustrated because of his you know, personal life. There were things that he for example, he couldn't see his kids because you know, marital stuff. And he said that he had a vasectomy on his mind right, kind of like floating in there and then add the drugs in and he's like vasectomy. Huh. So he described, you know, he described what it felt like to realize what he's just done. After he did it. He said that his thing was leaking blood quote like a water hose. Oh god. Yeah, so this poor mans, Yeah, it sucks. But I did see I did watch one of his interviews and he was like he's just it's really out there, man, Like he's just very He was like, well, you know that thing they say about black guys, it's not just mythology, my man or something like that. He's like, there's still stuff there I can still work with. Like he left part of it. Look he did it cut it all off? Oh god, for some reason, that's like way worse. Like it's the idea of seeing that. Its like haw penus, it's just yeah, like it's but anyway, the issue here, right, we're getting into PCP, which is a hallucinogen. But this drug can do more than make you cut off your genitals. It can apparently, that's the best dare argument I've ever heard of my entire life. Why did I do that? I can top it right here. What's worse than cutting off your genitals? Hm hmm, Well it could apparently make you cut off your face and feed it to dogs. Oh my god. I won't go into too many details of this story because it's right. That's all you do is all that you need to know, all you need to know. Yeah, it was supposed to be published in a book about It's like a medical records that weren't published, Like they supposedly put it put it in a book. It was about a blackmail in his late twenties who used a broken mirror to cut up his face. He actually also dug out his eye, dug out his eye, his ears, he took cut up, cut up his cut off his ear nose, and fed them to his two dogs. And just by the way, this might be just an this is this is why I think, like I say, supposedly right, because it's one of those you know those memes that pop up with just like an image and like a little description. Sometimes you see them on Instagram. It was just like you see a picture of like, I don't know, an old here's one like old skeletons, like a big, huge, enormous skeleton. They're like giants were discovered in ancient Egypt or something. It turns out it's fake, but like right, but this one was like this, just imagine a face without skin and the muscle is just kind of like eh, like that, Like there's an image like that. It's very graphic and at the bottom it says the story of this guy. But that's why, like I was thinking, no, this is fake, but then I started looking it up on you know, the Snope's fact checker thing. Turns out they can't say if it's true or not because they found stories about it and people that claimed that, yeah, I was working at that hospital. Like when they talk about this medical case and the investigation that went on, and that yeah, they saw him. They would call him the man without the face. And also the procedure to get is to try to repair it or cover up his the face and put muscle back in there. Supposed he was made but that to me, I don't know. I don't know much about medical stuff, but it was they said that they were able to use this procedure where like they take a flap out of another part of your body and kind of put it on until that part accepts it, and then they cut it off and repair the rest. It's this complicated thing, but it's still it sounds very hard to believe. No, I mean honestly, now that you're getting into the medical stuff, I'm like, yeah, this sound because that's all that weird, like replace your face, replace your limbs. Science is all kind of yeah, so bizarre like that. So yeah, so it's like that part, I'm like, oh, that actually sounds like it really happened. It might not have been because of that, but who So this was because this guy did PCP, and so that's the story. Yeah, and we're gonna get just a little bit worse before we get better. This is just to tell you, like, the effects of this is why you shouldn't do drugs. Here's a creepy here's another creepy way to snack, all right. In two thousand and nine, by the way, this was the previous story was a snack for the dogs. I'll try to tie it and didn't work, but we'll leave it because it's such a to me. It was so clearly he was thinking about feeding when he took the PCP and then it didn't connect that that was like. But in two thousand and nine, this is really sad. This is really sad. Thirty four year old Angel Vidal Mendoza bit out one of the eyes of his four year old son and mutilated the other. He was charged with mayhem torture, child cruelty, inflicting an injury to a child and just it's terrible and in the warrant and this is heartbreaking. Man, like ah the child. The report said that the child said, my daddy ate my eyes, oh my god. Because of PCP. Witnesses told the cops that they saw a man in a wheelchair, which has turned out to be the father this guy that you know bit the eye of his son. This guy to wheelchair was in the backyard of a nearby home hacking his own legs with an axe. Geez, and he was arrested obviously, like he was arrested. Looking into the rest of the story, the whole thing was messed up. The mom was also into PCP, and you know, the Child Protective Services they were blamed for not taking care of this matter before because they had probably got complaints. But anyway, don't do drugs, right, But that involves this This upcoming story with this is it's probably one of the It made headlines. It was a big, big case. The location here is East La April of two thousand and two, Atlisa Allen saw a man running naked down the street covered in blood. She went to her neighbor's house, the apartment of Tanisha Isays, who was dead in her apartment and not just like just dead like yo, you passed out, but like she was bloodied on the floor in this just it's just gore this gory scene, so she screamed. She's like, ah, she calls the cops and turns out that the story behind it, this guy who did it, who was the suspect, the main suspect, This is Antron Singleton. He was a rap artist and he would go under the name but Big Lurch. He was tall, so that's why he went after you know, his name Lurch, like from the Adams family. But he was living the typical rapper story, trying to make it right, like which sometimes is very tragic, like you're involved in gangs and drugs and you're not making a lot of money. You're trying to figure it out. But then he got a few breaks with other rappers and he ended up joining the group Cosmics slop Shop, and I mean it didn't last very long, but either way, he was like, I want to be a rapper. I want to make this work. When Big Lurch was twenty four, he was in a car accident because a drunk driver hit him and he broke his neck. So within a broken neck, he was in pain. Obviously he had you know, have to he had issues, you know, walking and like trying to get back into it. It was just pain it was just pain that he would experience, and that's when everything started. He was put on pain meds and he became addicted. He actually ended up smoking PCP with Thomas Moore, which was his friend, and his girlfriend Tinisha, which is the one that was found dead in one version of the story, Like, there's several ones that I've read, because obviously the story is not I'm not gonna I don't want to say that it's developing because it's not a developing story, but there are several theories behind it. The thing is that there are some some things that make me question, like what really happened? Right anyway? And one version of the story, he was out at the party with Thomas and everybody getting high on PCP and next thing he remembers, he woke up two weeks later in jail. What the fuck? That would be terrifying, like to just oh man, yeah, it's really bad. And that afternoon April twentieth, when you know, when he was running naked. Another version of the story says that he was he went to his house. He was out of drugs and he was really pissed. He was like, I need drugs, you know, So he that's when he got to Thomas's apartment to get more PCP, but only Tanisa was there, so she was like, well, what happened, what's up? Whatever? She he that's when he went in really angry killed her. And this is it's hard for me to say because it's really messed up, but he supposedly killed her, like stabbed her, opened up her chest cavity, opened it up like as in the ribs and stuff like open, took out the like one of the lungs and it ate it or it just started chewing on it. Yeah, it was a right lung. If that matters, I wonder I'm like the sheer force of opening up a room Kage, Like that's crazy. I mean, I know, I'm everything in that whole sentence is crazy, but like I guess I just hung up on the sheer force that that would have taken, yeah to do, and then to just go to town on her on her right lawn. Yeah, Yeah, And that's when he took off his clothes. And I just say it's random, right, but I mean he's high, so yeah, he took off his clothes and he just ran out of the apartment and that's when, Yeah, Lisa saw him and you know went in and saw everything. When Antromp was examined by you know, once he was he was arrested and taken in. They found pieces of human flesh and blood inside of his stomach and they were matches, like it was a match for the victim. So there was it was proven definitely there's part of this person's long and blood in you. So he was convicted a first degree murder torture aggravated mayhem. But he's now serving a life sentence without the chance of parole. And that's when, okay, when you start thinking about how this works. And I looked into PCP and how that how it works two weeks on a trip like that high it's pretty bad, Like it's how is that even possible? Right? And if he would he be able to capable of killing somebody and eating somebody like it's it's I don't know. But either way, the loops loophole like not loophole's holes in the in the story started kind of popping up, and I guess in the whole, like the people that were accusing him, Like there was stuff with the lawyer. We won't get into that, you know, I hate that stuff, but the lawyer supposedly was not affiliated, but like working with somebody from a gang that was opposing to what this rapper was in. Oh, I thought you were gonna Honestly, his lawyer was working with Big Cannibal and they really agenda. It's all corporate, all it's all connected a big Catibal. The way that he tried to defend himself was saying the lawyer was like, hey, just say you're insane, you know, claim insanity. Like, but it turns out that when you voluntarily take a drug, at least in California, and you commit something like, it's not enough for a judge to say, oh, interesting, you need to have at least one other thing like mental, something mental. It needs to be either somebody forced you to do it or or I don't know, without your knowledge, or something else needs to be there or for a judge to consider it. And but the lawyer was like, no, just do this. And some of the stories, the parts of the story say that maybe he maybe the lawyer had his own agenda, or maybe he just wanted to move on with the case to go work on something else and just wanted to close it. In some of the arguments that the rapper made for himself was like at the party, he claims that pople just kept giving him more and more PCP, like just kept giving him more and more and more. And that's why, like he was out for that long, because it doesn't sound like something that you would do for I mean two weeks that you don't remember anything. You know more about drugs. I do know more about drugs, but not PCP, and I blissfully don't ever want to. It's terrible. And you know, like even during the jury, the one of the things they brought up as evidence or just kind of a supporting thing for the case against them, or some of his lyrics, it says Jason Vorhees, Michael Myers and Freddy Krueger, Jeffrey Dahmer, Charles Manson and all of your friends. I'm finced to school ya because murders a hobby. I'm using a torture chamber and not a ruger. So if you wake up in a puddle of blood, N word, I did it to you. So he had that going in his mind. Is an Unpublisa, is it? Yeah? Yeah, it was an unpublished record, like it wasn't out yet, but yeah, and then it said. Another one that they used was when I was born, the doctor twisted up the facts. He said that I was a devil's son. So now I'm having flashbacks. The preacher almost drowned dead me at baptism, so on the six year anniversary of my birth, I had to get him. So, yeah, he had that on his mind. Yeah, I mean that seems to be the theme throughout this is that like whatever is on your mind when you do PCP, it's gonna come out so like Jesus in the weirdest way. Yeah, it's it's terrible, but you know, also interesting in part of the case, the mom of the victim forgave him visited him in jail and said, I know you didn't do it. And the reason here was that she claims that her daughter was having issues or was having problems with her boyfriend right at Thomas, and that he was about she was about to leave him, and she suspects that it was Thomas the one that killed her, and that big Lurch came in, saw a piece of meat on the floor and ate it when he was high, he was tripping. That's her explanation. That's a that's a big stretch, but you know, I appreciate her like trying. I guess there's a lot of things that would have had to happen. Uh Yeah, the fact that Big Lurch just wandered in ate a piece a lung, took off all of his clothes, and then ran down the street. Yeah. Another thing the pictures that that you see of when he was you know, taken in They don't show him like full that covered covered in blood. He has blood on him, but it's like is it if you see it, You're like, it's not like he wasn't covered in blood like you know. Also, they say that they found footprints that didn't match either like people that were his or you know, just like maybe someone else did it. Also, she says that they didn't consider the dog that was there, which is I think was a I don't know if it was a pit bull or something, you know, like just a strong dog. It wasn't considered in there. So it's like, I mean, why would she want to defend him, I don't know. But also like he did have her lung in his stomach, so like there's crime that did take place there. Yeah, is it illegal to eat human? I don't know. I think it differs from state to state. Unfortunately, I don't know. I was looking at that because like someone in New York. First, No, it was London was doing some sort of weird thing in the seventies where they were eating. They ate like I don't know, it was like an art project almost, but they ate like, oh, they ate tonsils and then they ate something else that's like an optional thing that people have and get rid of. It's it says cannibalism is legal in forty nine states. Where's it illegal in Idaho? And Idaho is against the law? Really? Why is? I mean, I'm on Reddit, so I'm trying to figure out if this is real or not? What? Okay, this is disgusting? Well, I guess it would be desecration of a corpse or something. You could still punish people, You could still go after them. Oh yeah, you find some some some law thing and therein still go after him. But also you know when they asked him like what what happened? Like what were you seeing? What happened? He said, this is a this is weird. But he said that he thought that the world was ending and that he needed to find and kill the devil. He did it right, He shouldn't have said that, like he No, he did. He did it. So all these theories of him thinking that the devil was inside of that woman was you know, they were just everywhere because all of a sudden, that was the intent. You wanted to kill the devil. What turns out that if you thought that the devil was in this inside, then you killed her. And and plus these lyrics though, like come on, like it's just it was on his mind, that's all. It's like, I don't doubt that he probably wouldn't have killed her if he was on PCP, but all that stuff was on his mind, and then PCP put him out of control. So yeah, So I just wondered, like, what's on my mind if I'm always writing all these scary stories, and you know, maybe be careful. Just you know, PCP can be laced in a cigarette. You can take it and not know it. You know, scary mystery surprise cares about you. Make sure you consent to taking your drugs and do them safely. And when things aren't on your mind, don't your neighbors and just just you know, be responsible. But happy things give you happy thanksgiving everyone anyway, edwin, What are we going to talk about next week. I don't know. I think it'll be a surprise, Yeah it will. Yeah, all right, Bye bye guys,